Wind and thermalsDale vs. Ol' Notch, Episode 8

How Do Thermals Work?

Fire weather guides say air starts drifting uphill within a few minutes of the sun hitting a slope, and slides downhill, slow and shallow, once the slope goes into shadow. East-facing slopes switch uphill first, and a strong wind can override all of it. No deer study I found tested how deer use thermals.

Aired Oct 25, 20264 research cards, each with its limits 3 min read
Still from Dale vs. Ol' Notch, Episode 8
A few minutes
For upslope air to start once the sun hits a slope
NWCG PMS 437
2-5 mph
Typical downslope wind, slower than upslope
NWCG PMS 437
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Deer studies I found that tested thermals
My search, Oct 17, 2026

01What the research found

RECEIPT
The study

Slope winds: up by day, down in shadow

WhereFire weather guideSampleNot a deer study
What they did

Explains how local slope winds behave, for firefighters estimating fire behavior.

What they found
  • "Slope Winds are driven by heat exchange at the slope surface."
  • They react quickly to sun on the slope, "with upslope breezes starting within a few minutes." Upslope winds generally run 3 to 8 mph.
  • The switch to downslope "begins soon after the first slopes go into afternoon shadow."
  • "Downslope winds are very shallow and of a slower speed than upslope winds, generally 2-5mph."
  • "Critical winds," like frontal and thunderstorm winds, "easily override local wind influences."
  • But valley inversions can keep general winds from reaching the midslopes and valley floor.
Limits
  • A fire weather guide, not a deer study. Your hill, shade and cover can change it.
  • The guide says "slope winds." "Thermals" is hunter shorthand for the same thing.
  • Slopes that lose the sun early, like east-facing ones, can switch downhill in the afternoon.
Source. National Wildfire Coordinating Group. PMS 437, Fire Behavior Field Reference Guide, "Weather: Estimating Winds for Fire Behavior." www-nwcg.fs2c.usda.gov →
RECEIPT
The study

Which slope switches first

WhereFire weather trainingSampleNot a deer study
What they did

Explains how slope direction changes the timing of slope winds.

What they found
  • "Upslope winds develop on east-facing aspects first because they receive direct sunlight earlier."
  • West-facing slopes start upslope and peak later in the day than east and south slopes.
  • On south-facing slopes, downslope winds begin after the slope loses direct sun, "usually after sunset."
Limits
  • Fire weather training, not a deer study.
Source. COMET Program (UCAR, sponsored by NWS and NOAA). "Introduction to Fire Behavior." meted.ucar.edu →
RECEIPT
The study

A light-wind, clear-sky pattern

WhereMeteorology glossarySampleNot a deer study
What they did

Defines mountain-valley wind systems.

What they found
  • Slope and valley winds are a daily cycle "during clear or mostly clear periods of weak synoptic flow." That means light general winds.
  • At sunrise, the east-facing slope gets sun earlier than the rest of the valley.
Limits
  • A glossary entry, not a deer study.
  • It doesn't use the word "override." The NWCG guide does.
Source. American Meteorological Society, Glossary of Meteorology, "Mountain-valley wind systems." glossary.ametsoc.org →
RECEIPT
The study

Looking for a deer study

WhereSearches run Oct 17, 2026SampleDeer papers and hunting sites
What they did

Searched for deer studies that test travel, bedding or detection against thermals or slope winds. A second checker ran its own search.

What they found
  • Neither search found one.
  • A winter bed study in Maryland (Lang and Gates 1985) looked at cover at 140 night beds. Wind, aspect and air drainage weren't measured.
  • A winter bed study in Ontario (Armstrong, Euler and Racey 1983) looked at cover, slope and aspect for heat loss. No airflow or scent test.
  • A mule deer bed study (Germaine et al. 2004) recorded wind at beds but never analyzed it.
  • The closest hit, Lingle and Wilson 2001 in Ethology, tested whether deer were upwind or downwind of a person. Wind direction had no significant effect on how far away the deer became alert. It didn't test slope winds.
  • Hunting sites explain thermals but cite no deer study that tests them.
Limits
  • Both searches were reasonable but not exhaustive. This means "none I found," not "none exist."
Source. My open check and an independent check, Oct 17, 2026.

02My read

MY READMy tactic, not a study result

Check which way your slope faces, and time your sit to the sun.

No deer study I found tested this. That's how I hunt it, not a study result.

03Field notes

  1. Once the sun hits your slope, expect the air to start drifting uphill within minutes. East-facing slopes go first.
  2. Once your slope goes into shadow, expect a slow, shallow slide downhill.
  3. On a strong-wind day, the general wind can override the thermals.
  4. Check your own state's season dates and legal hours with your state wildlife agency.

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